What I Was Trying To Say Was…
My mind feels particularly blank this morning, like I don’t know what I’m supposed to do next. In my last post, I started off with a thought that got taken in an entirely unintended direction. It’s like that with me. I never know what I’m going to say when I sit down to write, and I’m sure you can tell that, can’t you? My first sentence from that post,
I think I’ve allowed my curious mind to get the best of me.
started out in my head as a confession of sorts. You see, I fell, or settled, into the role of a “seeker” in the spiritual enlightenment game. The threads I mentioned that took me from one thing to another were all based on an unsettled curiosity of what this life is all about. Christianity was leveled many years ago in my mind as a means for salvation, and certainly as a means of understanding reality and my particular place in it. I’m sorry, but it’s just so damned silly to me now, and I marvel at those who blindly follow it, and especially those who teach, or preach, it. Some of these folks are very well-educated, highly intelligent people, too. I think to myself, “Have you ever questioned what it is that you believe, or listened to what you’re saying with a rational mind?” Oh, I tried it. Dove deeply into it when I was a teenager, and thought it was the bees knees. Something was always lacking though. This Jesus fella… never “met” him, even though that was the whole point: meet Jesus and walk daily with him. Nope, never met, although I’ve often said that it would’ve been really cool to be around him when he was here. I’d love to know what he really said. So Xtianity didn’t work out. I mentally debunked that a long time ago. People believe… cool. I wish I could just believe.
Once the Christian bubble popped, I was no longer interested in other religions even though I did study them for a while. I just wanted to know what everybody else’s bubble gum tasted like. It’s funny ’cause even though there are many different flavors, it’s all still the same gum. And Christians get all pissy about other religions, calling them “devil worship”. I remember my mom’s warning when I was questioning her religion and the fact that I was exploring others: “Mike, you need to be careful.” Careful of what? Going to hell? Getting infected by Satan? Having God strike me down? I should be so lucky. At least then I would know, wouldn’t I? How long has Jesus been almost ready to come back and start the end of the world as we know it? I remember being so terrified as a child that Jesus was going to come back before I grew up and had a chance to drive a car, and have girlfriends, and a wife, and kids. Soooo scared! I would actually pray, “Jesus, please don’t come today. I want to grow up first.” How pathetic?
Anyway, during my research into the other major religions, I figured out that none of them had anything I wanted. My thoughts on God had changed drastically. God no longer was the man on the throne doling out rewards and punishment. There was no “book of life” that determined who was going to be allowed entrance into Heaven, and who was to be tortured in Hell for all eternity. If there was a God, then that god had to be everything. Nothing would exist without “God”, because everything was a part of god. Everything – you, me, the trees, rain, space, stars, dust, everything – is God. In my mind there was nowhere that God was not. So I didn’t think of God as a single entity, standing apart from all of His creation. All I could honestly say was God is. We are because of God, and yet are God at the same time. We owe no debt of gratitude or servitude to this God because we are it too. God is us, we are God, same-same. So why pray? For what? And what about “The Secret“ and the law of attraction? Really? Who’s keeping the secret from whom? Who figured it out? Does it work? Maybe, but so what. It doesn’t matter. None of it matters. It’s all a grand show, and guess what? You are playing your role magnificently. Me too.
So what’s my role? Not sure right now, but it has been that of a “seeker”. I got sucked in. There were these folks (the Advaita Clowns) that spoke of reality from a much different perspective than I had been used to hearing. It was alluring. I jumped in, as usual, and asked the “experts” lots of questions, and really didn’t like the answers I was getting. So what did I do? I hunkered down and became determined to understand this nonduality stuff. It got to be an obsession. ”I must understand this! I must know the truth!”
Isn’t life gentle with us? I can imagine what it must look like. I bought books, read tons of material on the internet, emailed numerous “enlightened” folks dozens of times, all in the hopes I would finally understand it. I don’t believe I was ever after enlightenment. That’s akin to a spiritual experience, which I wanted no part of. I was after the truth. Still am. What is the truth?
I wish Advaita didn’t have to have a name. It makes it seem like a religion. There are gurus, and pointers, and books, and satsangs, and disciples, and idolatry, and meditation, and on and on. All of that has built up around what, as far as I can tell, is a very basic, almost too basic, obvious (to some) truth. That truth being that there is no such thing as separation. There are no separate things. You, and I, and horseshoes, and buttermilk biscuits, and Volkswagen buses, are all one continuous, uninterrupted whole. That’s crazy, right? Right! And it sounds so profound, and there are just enough folks out here that “get” that, who are trying to teach the rest of us. And these venerable few are put up on platforms with pictures of their gurus and fresh-cut flowers and microphones. And dozens of others sit cross-legged on the floor below, some with their eyes closed, some with video cameras so the rest of us can watch on the internet, all hoping to catch something that’s said that will make us go, “Ooooohhhhh”, and wake up to this truth. And I, being one of those followers from afar, have been sucked in, playing the seeker role, “learning” from gurus. As much as it looks like that’s the truth of it, it’s not… kind of. I’m not a disciple, and I don’t subscribe to the language and rituals of Advaita. I only want to understand the core, the basic core of what it is that all this hoopla has gathered around it. (I think it would be very easy to start a religion. All you have to do is profess a truth that nobody can debunk because it’s so esoteric, so ethereal, then people will flock to you, wanting to know what you know. You could be rich!) I just want to know the damned TRUTH! That’s all.
And the way my mind works is sort of like having Special Agent Dana Scully AND Special Agent Fox Mulder inside. One needing definitive proof of everything, the other saying “I want to believe”. The fight wears me down sometimes.

Mike, why did you become a seeker?
I absolutely abhor that title you know. The word fits, though, so I can’t completely disown it. Well, Suzanne, I don’t know that I actually had a choice in the matter, looking back. All the incredible coincidences that happened along the way just kind of made it what it is. Why did I become a seeker? I want to be honest here, so gimme a minute…
In the religion I was raised in, there was the promise of earthly strife for an eternal reward. Reading about quantum mechanics started the chain reaction, and I got excited and depressed with the results of the questioning of that religion. What I was taught not to question was nothing more than a wisp of smoke. There didn’t seem to be a good reason for all of this after that. Why am I here? What is the purpose of all this? Why do people die, and why are there so many bad things going on? There’s got to be an answer.
I guess, long story short, that I became a seeker because I destroyed my religion and all of a sudden nothing made sense anymore. Questioning Christianity was a very big, risky thing for me to do. It was extremely uncomfortable. I went toe-to-toe with pastors and Dr.s of theology, trying to understand it and make the problems with it I saw make sense. I was disappointed that none of them could stand up to close scrutiny, and I summarily dismissed them and my religion. I got an “ah ha” moment which I never looked back from. My religion was false. Now what?
I became a seeker because of the need to know what was true, or what the truth was/is. I settled with Advaita because it wasn’t a religion, but now I’m starting to see that a little differently as well. I don’t want religion, I just want the truth. That’s what I’m seeking. I know I can’t “find” it. I already seem to know what that truth is, but I can’t make myself believe it, so I continue to look.
Kind of sad, isn’t it?
Mike said: “I remember being so terrified as a child that Jesus was going to come back before I grew up and had a chance to drive a car, and have girlfriends, and a wife, and kids. Soooo scared! I would actually pray, “Jesus, please don’t come today…”
OH! SO IT’S YOUR FAULT HE’S NOT COME BACK! See what the power of prayer does
Viv
Viv, this is HILARIOUS! How could I NOT have known it’s been me all along. I guess I’d better start praying again, just in case my old juju is wearing out. I’ve got grandkids I want now! Then there’s retirement to look forward to. Maybe he could come back just before I’m about to die. OK, so He listens to me… you got anything you want me to ask for on your behalf?
Yeah! How DO you turn water into wine… it would save me an awful lot of spondoolies!
Where are you from, Viv? Spondoolies? I had to look that one up?
The water-into-wine bit is easy. Apply a little Advaita to it, see? Water. Wine. Same thing, all is one. There ya go. Put your spondoolies under the mattress, and drink to your heart’s desire.
LOL! Knew advaita would end up being good for something… just got to convince dinner guests that ‘yes, really, it is wine!”
And I’m from Sarf London (now living in ROYAL Tunbridge Wells, so I laike to put a genteel touch to the estuary English!)
OK, London… Sarf, Royal Tunbridge Wells? No idea. I’m from the deep South of America (Georgia). You know, rednecks and such.
You don’t have to convince your dinner guests. Just wear Indian-esque clothing and have a picture of Papaji next to you at the table. Tell them it’s the very best wine there is, and all they have to do is realize the truth. Voila! You’re a guru, and a magnificent hostess! They’ll never know what hit them.
Viv means “souf” London, innit mate.
You seek meaning. Why?
You sniffin’ me out, Suzanne?
Why meaning? Can’t come up with a good reason. Maybe because I don’t want to think that this is all pointless, or uncaused, or of no substance at all. The mind gives everything meaning. What’s the meaning of mind?
What if there is no point? What if mind means nothing?
If that is the truth, I am not afraid. I’m braced for the truth, whatever it may be. I suspect it won’t be what I want, but I don’t want to not know any more.
You are a wondrous beauty Mike, you have it all, you know everything there is to know about all this, even JESUS.
Your brain is ticking ticking ticking, you love to pull things apart, put things together again in a better way, (what’s your star sigh btw?) you do.
Don’t we all?
Forget it, you had a hunch in the first place about all this, something that could not be explained, could not be pulled apart and put back together again? – that is all This Is, the hunch. Not Advaita, not non-duality, Jesus, souf London or UFO’s it cannot be dissected in the way you want to dissect it.
It is the blueprint of the grown tree within a seed, it is the smell of the sea on the wind, it is the migration of birds half way around the world, it IS.
What more is there to ask of it than this??
Rest, smile and go look deep into your new baby’s eyes. x
Gemini… that what you’re after?
Easy for you to say… now! Huh?
I look into his eyes very deeply, and often. We can’t communicate, but somehow the intense love and amazement is there regardless. I love being a father! I love being a husband!
Airhead
What I meant to say was that Geminis are Air signs, like Librans
x
Funny. I had a boss once that called me Airhead because of the last name (Ayers… get it?). No, he wasn’t very clever. And I don’t know much about the zodiac. I wasn’t quite a teenager in the ’70s.
lol, i enjoy you guys, even though I don’t post often (or know if anything i post ever amounts to anything or whether it should, it whether it matters) but i love seeing those thoughts mingle with each other.
I too came from Christianity, and i think one of the biggest barriers that I’ve faced are that most of the people i care about are christian leaders for churches, so there are still beliefs inside that don’t want to loosen their grip (like the whole Satan and God thing, evil and good, etc.)
Although like you said God is within all, and I understand this but why do Christians believe that somehow God can’t even reside in the darkness, like there is some separate entity from the One, separate? Doesn’t this assert separateness?
Also i came to see something recently… another friend of mine is very adamant about “resisting evil”, but i cannot seem to transmit how the latter is true but then i realized that neither argument is true… that if is was Truth, why would it need to be defended? “We don’t shape the truth to us, the truth shapes us.” Something like that because we are it, whatever it is.
I guess i’m just going to sit with fear a little while longer because it seems to be within me right now.
In terms of advaita… i don’t know if i ever truly dove into it, i never really knew of what advaita meant until i stumbled upon your blogs, and i still don’t really know, not really concerned about it. I was just under the impression of method -> transformation, and once transformation takes place, i will have gone beyond method. Who knows whether it will work out that way, infact i hope its just blows my mind (literally) of how different it turns out to be haha.
-Nick
Your posts matter as long as they’re posted… otherwise…
Are you saying that your Christian beliefs are barriers? Barriers to what? Nick, man, if those beliefs are working for you, for God’s sake, stay with ‘em! Sometimes I wish I’d never questioned what I believed. Maybe things would’ve been easier that way. Like Cypher in The Matrix. He knew the truth, but was much more comfortable with the lie of the Matrix. Ignorance is bliss. I’ve given the Christianity thing a lot of thought, so if you want to know the things I questioned that broke me out of it, I’d be glad to tell you all about them.
You’re question about God residing in darkness is a great one, and one that I’d asked before. If everything exists because of God, and God is the underlying structure of all that exists, then “darkness”, Satan, Hell, demons would all exists because of Him. They would be Him. What would be the point of that? I just keep following that train, and all of a sudden the whole thing no longer made sense to me.
Your friend is resisting evil, huh? What’s that mean? No, truth doesn’t need to be defended, but sometimes when you know the truth it’s difficult to watch someone wallow in their crap without wanting to smack ‘em around with that truth.
I hope it blows your mind too! I’m finding that there’s no method to this, though, and if you’re looking for method maybe the Roman Catholic Church would be a good fit. They’re very methodical! Advaita’s just a name for me now, not a religion. That’s kind of what caused me to stick around for a while with it. No religion, no Bible, no preachers (sort of), no pre-set routines, or plans of salvation.
Anyway, Nick, I’m glad you’re along for the ride. I love your contributions!
‘I want to believe’, I have that same pic as a postcard somewhere.
Hey Mike just wanted to say hi and let you know that I have been reading all your posts and I’m with ya. I too want to believe and know the truth, no matter what.
I even dream about this stuff! I dream that I finally got it, or that a pointer finally makes total sense and that I can’t believe that I’ve never seen it before. Then I wake up and back to ‘normal’. Quite frustrating yet funny in a weird way.
Hey Chris! I was wondering about you. Thought maybe you got buried in 36 feet of snow or something. So were you a fan of The X-Files? Me? Huge! I never missed it. Now I can’t miss Fringe (similar concept).
I’m having some really good conversations with Randall Friend about this stuff, and I’ve thought about you after reading certain things he’s had to say. Someone had asked if I planned on posting any of our conversations. Maybe I will, but I can send you some, or all, of it if you think it might be helpful. Randall’s really good with my questions. And very patient, too.
Good to see you again, Chris.
Post em’ post em’ !!
Hey Mike thanks for that!
Yeah that would be great! I’d love to ’see’ what you guys have been talking about if it’s OK! Thanks!
Guess you”ll need my email?
And yeah I was quite an X Files fan as well. I watched the first few episodes of Fringe but quit soon after. Not sure why though there was something about the pace that I didn’t like. A friend of mine told me that it really picks up after those first few episodes so perhaps I should get into it again? So I gather you recommend it right?
Later !
Yeah, it’s cool. Interdimensional travel plot, neato mosquito.
Why don’t you email me.. mayers24@bellsouth.net. That way you won’t have to put your address out here.
It undoubtedly isn’t what you want. You die. And what is left is what is…including looking into your baby’s eyes.
OK, well I’m just very ignorant for not already realizing that then. I keep making mention of whacking of heads. Perhaps it’s my head that requires whacking. No, not perhaps… for sure!
lol, yes they feel like barriers. And I absolutely agree with you Mike, there is always a great sorrow that passes over me, to people that don’t seem to be awake, but then again who’s to say if i’m anymore awake then they are. I won’t ever know because I can’t be in their body and experience what they experience.
In terms of methodology, no thanks on the Catholicism lol, I’ll stick to meditation to abide in silence. Until meditation no longer is a method but my way of being. It has transformed the me so much in the last year.
There is also something interesting that you said, “whatever method works” and i think we forget this sometimes, that our particular way is not the only way of realizing in fact no way is the correct way (or the incorrect way) but somehow they can all be transcended into the same way (weird.. lol)
I would love to hear what calms you had with Christianity! I am largley detached from the religion itself these days, it took some fearful nights like you mentioned when you were a kid, those big questions do seem to come up, “what will happen to me then, blah blah blah.” its more like sugarcoating what religions seem to do, they give you a nice little answer with a pretty bow… when Reality says well where is there to go? We don’t really know what will happen until it happens, but the thing that’s afraid is not who we actually are, hell we can even watch it being afraid!! Anyway im rambling so i’ll stop for now. =P
I was in an online Bible study group about 10-12 years ago, and I got to be very distracting to the group, asking questions and causing all kinds of ruckus, so I bowed out apologetically. I have to admit, though, that it was really cool asking questions that most of the other folks had never thought about… generated a lot of neat discussion.
Anyway, I just started in the beginning of the Bible. The story goes that God made the Earth and man, then set man in this lush garden and told him he could eat of any tree he wanted. Any tree except for two, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and the tree of life. I asked myself, “Now why would God do that?”
I’d always been taught that God was omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent… knew everything, was everywhere, and was all-powerful. God had to know what Adam and Eve were going to do before he even decided to create anything. Why test your creation when you know what’s gonna happen? And why punish them when they did what he knew they were gonna do? You’d have to admit that God was not omniscient, or find some way to claim that He wanted man to have free choice (which to God would be BS… HE ALREADY KNEW!). There was no way out of that question. Nobody in the Church, preacher or otherwise, could give any good explanation for that.
I took that problem and went way out with it. God created Hell. Why? He had to have known that some of his angels would rebel before he created them, right? C’mon, he’s GOD! So he either created Hell in anticipation of the angels rebellion, or he created it after they rebelled. Either way, he had to know, right? Oh, and He created us, too, right? All of us billions and billions of human beings, some of which were destined to go to Hell. He knew who was going to go to Hell before he created us, right? Then why create us just to end up in hell? We couldn’t have had a choice. It was ridiculous to me, Nick. Just silly. Why would God create all of this and have part of it fail? Again, He’s GOD!!! Why create imperfection, then punishment for that imperfection that He created?
Then the ultimate… Jesus. This is where I become a heretic. My mother would die if she read this, so shhhhhh. In my mind, God could not have possibly created Hell. He couldn’t possibly have created beings that would “sin” against him. It’s as silly as the Easter Bunny. And Heaven? Probably no Heaven either. Why? For what purpose? Reward? Same thing… reward for what? Serving Him? If there’s no Hell, then all we can do is serve Him. Whatever we do, we have no choice… he created us knowing what would happen. So, no Hell, then what does Jesus need to be my savior for? Savior from what? Hell? Nope!
HERETIC ALERT….
Jesus is no more the son of God than you or me. He did not come here to save anybody from Hell. It’s all a cleverly opportunistic control grab by the early founders of the Christian Church. Jesus existed, I have no doubt. I imagine he was much like Buddha in regards to what he taught, which is why I’ve said that I would have loved to be around to hear him talk… actually hear what he had to say. Unfortunately the religion built up around his martyrdom, and there are billions of blind followers. Just like any of the religions. It’s all the same. Religion doesn’t want to “save” anybody. All they want is control… power and money. Damned shame.
So, I’m left to find the truth on my own, and I’m very thankful to have you guys to share it with, and bounce these things off of.
How’s that for rambling?
I don’t know how relevant this is but here’s a link on Ricky Gervais’ take on the Bible and our origins:
Great video. How irreverent… I love it!
Oscar-worthy ramble!
Airhead sed: “God was omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent… ”
See, that’s it. Apart from the ‘was’ …. coz if God is the three O’s, then he IS… now and forever. Just is. And whatever is, that is God. It can’t be ‘was’, or “before” or “after” or “outside”. God is, was, will be everpresent, everything, and everknowing. Everything that is, as it is. There can be nothing else. This is god.
Yeah, you got me, Viv. Present tense, I know, I know. You know, I do that kind of thing a lot. Really butcher the Queen’s English I do. Maybe you could be my editor for my upcoming book?
haha, brilliant… I’ve had these same kinds of thoughts, aboslutely in respect to Jesus. Infact a long time ago i blogged about it on my facebook and then transferred it over onto this blog right here.
I think the way describe how God is, is different then how it’s actually suppose to be (in whatever way that is). But what i see is a lot of people tend to want to be lazy or don’t want to wake up and see for themselves, so they just believe all the other stuff that is rather meaningless (filtered stuff) as being truth, when in fact it is no more truer then me saying, the grass is green. That is only something I see, for someone else it could be blue (color blindness, or correction?) but it seems all relative.
These are some very good points that I’ve thought of as well of his omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent but i think in the way that is normally perceive by this is not what Reality has in store for the subject haha. Which is why we go on missing in the first place, our filters don’t allow us to see the words as they are, instead they become our ideas of what they are to fit us and how the me sees life.
I’m not sure where I heard this but , “Truth shapes us, we don’t shape truth to us.”
So no matter what I would hope that I’m shaped back to Truth instead of trying to shape some false truth to fit me as being “truth”
“But what i see is a lot of people tend to want to be lazy or don’t want to wake up and see for themselves, so they just believe all the other stuff that is rather meaningless (filtered stuff) as being truth, when in fact it is no more truer then me saying, the grass is green.”
Wonderfully stated! Lemmings, huh? I get mad sometimes thinking about how gullible folks are, and how those “in the know” take advantage of that.
Very nice, succinct post. Never thought of it that way. Nice!
This guy has another take on it, this is a long clip, but worth watching:
http://www.timothyfreke.com/movies/661.MOV
oooo… i really enjoyed that video last night before bed, it says alot of things that resonate well, I never looked at the whole Jesus approach to being one huge parable. Either way what that guy was saying was about our true nature (him being gnostic).
What stuck out for me is when he said, “awareness is not in us, rather all this story is in awareness.”
So we are out here and all that stuff is inside, we are not that, but all of that is what in (or part) of the whole.
I’m curious though, is there a difference between consciousness and awareness or are they one and the same? Is consciousness just a by product of awareness? I remember Nisargadatta saying something about once you realize you are not the doer, and that there is witnessing that there is even something beyond that… and for whatever reason i can’t seem to shake that. It was gone for a while but it has come back on this particular morning.